Posts by polish clarinet

the greatest danger is to think by yourself!! fewer danger for the org with stupid videos and brainwashed people.I remember my grand father and other working people of his 40's generation. They had very little instruction but the organisation provided "solid food" for every one. The they felt very different from the catholic religion they were leaving. they also were deep and hard students of the bible.

I really have no regret to have left this sad sad cult...

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Is attendance down in your location too?

by StarryNight9 in

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i was commenting on another thread about how local kh attendance is down.

memorial attendance was also way down and the circuit assembly had hundreds less people than what is typical.

my jw family has even mentioned it.

polish clarinet

from France !

when i was a 'teen, in late 80s, we were 385 publishers in 5 congregations and 4 KHs in my area. 30 years later, 175 publishers are remaining, in 2 congregations sharing the same KH. the average age must be around 55 - 60, or maybe more.

young and educated people have ALL left the borg, Only jobless, retired and disabled people have joined !

I'm out for 2 years but my best PIMO friend and his brother are still in, in 2 different congregations, so I'm still aware of the spectacular increase of the "great crowd"

the saddest? empty minds, nothing to learn, no bible study but only brainwashed people singing "obey and be blessed" and "my joyful life of regular pioneer"

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I am happier when i am out

by IamWhatIam in

fellows.

finally find a place to share experience for jwers.

i am also a ex-jwer and left the ´truth´ on jan. 2018. i live and work in midt jylland in denmark.

polish clarinet

I left 18 months ago. I feel better than ever with my loving not-JW wife. When I met her, about 12 years ago, I was "pre-shunned" as a weak person. Invited nowhere, ignored by "spiritual" members, dispised...

I also knew the pressures to break my relation with her but I never did. And I was quite right!!

the thing they never forgave me ??? I never apologized about the "crime" I committed by marrying an "unbelieving" person. Elders 'n Co expected me to express some regret but it never came. So all this "kind people" became more and more angry and even made some good old friends not to talk to me anymore.

Many openly expressed it was i pity I counldn't be disfellowshipped for marrying my wife. An elder I knew for 30 years told me I was a cancer the congregation had to fight.

So are the kindest people of the world...

Have no regret, friends, because there is nothing to regret !

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Do Any JW's Still Use/Trust the Reasoning Book?

by The Fall Guy in

under the heading last days, the introduction promises this:.

"the present wicked system of things, which extends worldwide, entered its last days in 1914, and some of the generation alive then will also be on hand to witness its complete end in the “great tribulation.”.

will the "slave" explain to their followers that such an invaluable "witnessing tool" is no longer to be used, or will they just revise it electronically to reflect "current truth?

polish clarinet

oh! sorry! has it been corrected with all the new light given since the 80's ??

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Do Any JW's Still Use/Trust the Reasoning Book?

by The Fall Guy in

under the heading last days, the introduction promises this:.

"the present wicked system of things, which extends worldwide, entered its last days in 1914, and some of the generation alive then will also be on hand to witness its complete end in the “great tribulation.”.

will the "slave" explain to their followers that such an invaluable "witnessing tool" is no longer to be used, or will they just revise it electronically to reflect "current truth?

polish clarinet

this publication is not available on the official page of JWs. All you have to do not, is to forget its content !

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FYI- Some KH Annoucements Aug 2018

by stumbledbyothers in

some of these kh letters may have been mentioned already:.

starting sept - $14 per publisher toward taking care of the needs of the co in us.. love never fails 2019 regional conventions.. memorial april 19, 2019.. there will be jw contact cards with blank space to write notes..

polish clarinet

and what about Paul who was a part time worker ?

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Pew Research:"88% of JWs read scripture outside of religious services at least once a week" ...Highest of all religions

by Wild_Thing in

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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/05/07/blacks-more-likely-than-others-in-u-s-to-read-the-bible-regularly-see-it-as-gods-word/.

graph in article:.

i doubt this statistic.

polish clarinet

we are the champions, my friends !!!! ans we'll keep on fighting till the end !!!

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Clarification needed re shunning policy

by UnshackleTheChains in

i am in the process of writing to parliament about the practice of shunning by jehovah's witnesses.

what i need to clarify if the practice is 'specifically' mentioned in any of the books used for bible study/ recruitment leading up to baptism?.

i would be grateful if anyone could clarify this in case i get my facts wrong when writing my letter..

polish clarinet

these are examples of the very numerous offences that lead to be disfellowshipped (found here: http://jwfacts.mobi/disfellowshipping-and-shunning/disfellowshipping-watchtower-offences/ )

Bible discussion of shunning in 1 Corinthian’s 15 and 2 John is limited to just the following areas; Fornication, Greed, idolatry, Revilers, Practicing Drunkenness, Extortion and One who does not remain in the teaching of the Christ.

This list should be the full extent of reasons for which to be disfellowshipped. In fact, Diotrephes was reprimanded for attempting to throw people out of the congregation unnecessarily.

3 John 9,10 “I wrote something to the congregation, but Diotrephes, who likes to have the first place among them, does not receive anything from us with respect. That is why, if I come, I will call to remembrance his works which he goes on doing, chattering about us with wicked words. Also, not being content with these things, neither does he himself receive the brothers with respect, and those who are wanting to receive them he tries to hinder and to throw out of the congregation.”

Following is the vast list of offences the Watchtower has created for which a Jehovah’s Witness can be disfellowshipped or disassociated.

The abbreviations refer to the following publications:

– Kingdom Ministry (km)
– Watchtower (w)
– Jehovahs Witnesses – Proclaimers of Gods Kingdom (1993) (jv)
– Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock (ks91-E)
– Organised to Accomplish Our Ministry (om)
– Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1 or 2 (it-1 or 2)

Adultery (sexual intercourse with a person other than your marriage mate), includes;
- Abandoning wife and eloping with another woman – w79 11/15 31-2, w76 p.728
- Planned adultery to break Scriptural marriage ties – w83 3/15 p.29
- Remarriage without Scriptural permission – w56 10/1 p.597
- Polygamy – jv 176
- Dating a person not legally divorced – ks91-E p.135
Apostasy – w83 4/1 pp.22-4, km 8/80 pp.1, 4. includes;
- Rebellion against Jehovahs organization – w63 7/1
- Promoting sects – it-2 886
Associating with disfellowshipped people including;
- Friends – ks91-E p.103, w81 9/15 pp.25-6, w55 10/1 p.607
- Family – ks91-E p.103
Blood and blood transfusions – w61 1/15 ks91-E p.95, jv p.183-4
Drug use – ks91-E p.96
Drunkenness – ks91-E p.95, it-1 656
Dishonest business practices – w63 7/1, w86 11/15 14
Employment violating Christian principles – km 9/76 p.6, km 2/74
- Working for any religious organization – ks91-E p.95
- Working in a gambling institution – ks91-E p.136
- Selling tobacco – ks91-E p.96
- Contract work at a military establishment
False worship. Includes;
- Attending another church ks91-E p.94
- Following mourning customs that involve false worship – w85 4/15 p.25
Fornication it-1 863
- Bestiality – w83 6/1 p.25
- Incestuous marriage – w78 3/15 p.26
- Artificial insemination and surrogate motherhood.

“True Christians, therefore, avoid surrogate motherhood as well as any procedures that involve the use of donated sperm, eggs, or embryos” g04 9/22;
“Artificial insemination of a married woman by a donor other than her husband makes her guilty of adultery” g74 8/8 p.28

sexual abuse of children – g93 10/8 p.10Reviling – ks91-E p.94, w96 7/15 pp.17-18; it-1 p.991; it-2 p.802
Fraud – ks91-E p.94, om pp.142-3
Gambling or related employment – w80 9/1, ks91-E p.136
Gluttony – w86 5/1
Greediness, this in used to include;
- gambling ks91-E p.95
- extortion ks91-E p.95, w89 1/15 22, it-1 p.789
- greed in relation to bride-price: w98 9/15 p.25
Homosexuality – w83 6/1 pp.24-6
Idolatry – w52 3/1 p.138
Loose conduct – ks91-E pp.93, 96, w83 3/15 p.31, w73 9/15 p.574, it-2 p.264, ks91-E p.93, w83 3/15 p.31, w73 9/15 pp.574-6, w97 9/1 p.14, it-2 p.246.

This includes;

Sexual perversion
Disregard for Jehovah’s moral standards
Disrespect, disregard or even contempt for standards, laws and authority,

Rather than restricted to the usual definition of sexual perversion, the Watchtower defines “loose conduct” as including “disrespect to elders”. This enables this term to be used to disfellowship for a wide range of offences not elsewhere covered, and as such is used to cover all manner of sins, such as refusal to cease fellowship with disfellowshipped people, or even being contemptuous in a judicial meeting where no other sin can be proven.

Lying – ks91-E p.94, g00 2/8 p.21
Non neutral activities (involvement in politics and the military) – ks91-E p.96
Military service and non military service including working casual work (certain civilian work has recently been made a conscience matter w96 5/1 p.20) – ks91-E p.96
Obscene speech – ks91-E p.95
Parents condoning immorality – w56 p.566
Political involvement, including voting or holding a political card in Malawi – ks91-E p.96 (w99 11/1 p.28 made voting a conscience matter)
Porneia. Includes oral and anal sex between married couples, mutual masturbation between persons not married to each other, homosexuality, lesbianism, fornication, adultery, incest, and bestiality. – ks91-E p.93
Slander – ks91-E p.94, w63 7/1, w89 10/15 p.14, om p.142
Smoking or selling tobacco – km 2/74, ks91-E p.96
Spiritism (includes yoga w02 8/1 p.22) – w55 10/1 p.607
Stealing, thievery – om pp.142-5, ks91-E p.94
Subversive activity – w95 10/1 p.31
Uncleanness

Sexually perverse practices within marriage, such as oral and anal sex – w83 3/15 p.31
Heavy petting and breast fondling – ks91-E p.92
Touching of sexual parts – ks91-E p.91
Practice of viewing abhorrent Pornography – w2012 3/15 p.31

Violation of secular law if flagrant attitude – w86 10/1 p.31
Violence, extreme physical abuse, fits of anger – ks91-E p.96, w75 p.287, g01 11/8 p.12

Includes Boxing w81 7/1 pp.30-1, ks91-E p.142

Wilful non support of family, endangerment of mates spirituality – w88 11/1 pp.22-3, km 9/73 p.8, ks91-E p.95

Worldly celebrations such as Christmas – ks91-E p.95 (It appears celebrating birthdays is not a reason to be disfellowshipped)